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Tennis and the Dharma

Ajahn Munissara · The Armadale Meditation Group · 28 June 2025 · 1 h 35 min · Buddhist Society of Western Australia

Tuesday 27th May 2025 Venerable Munissara joins the Armadale Meditation Group online live. Armadale Meditation Group (AMG) teaches you about meditation. The classes generally begin with chanting the Metta Sutta, meditation instructions, meditating together, asking questions, and, if time allows, a Dhamma talk. These weekly Tuesday night teachings are via Zoom from Bodhinyana or Dhammasara Monastery. For the AMG zoom link and more details: https://bswa.org/location/armadale-meditation-group/ Support us on: https://ko-fi.com/thebuddhistsocietyofwa BSWA teachings are available: BSWA Teachings BSWA Podcast Channel BSWA DeeperDhamma Podbean Channel BSWA YouTube

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  • 11:58

    When you're watching a great tennis player, you can see that they have to really be right there in that moment. to be

  • 15:04

    a little bit like either I felt like no I didn't say I said it right or I felt like oh my god I got it wrong or I felt like the way she interrupted me was like jarring and then I kind of lose it and I can't quite get back to the flow of what you know the rest of the chanting and I flub it and I you know it's like a little bit difficult but then I thought no you just can't worry about it whatever whatever happened happened you got it right you got it wrong They got it right. They got it wrong. Maybe they made a mistake and corrected you incorrectly, if that makes any sense. But you just have to keep moving. You just have to keep going because otherwise it's going to mess up the next word, the next word. And so then you can't think also, how much longer? It's 311 rules. I'm only at 100.

  • 19:25

    Then sometimes I say, sort of jokingly, but sort of seriously, And, you know, kind of my mind's like, it silences a little bit because I was well-trained by watching years and years of French Open. Then that is the appropriate response. And so that's something, I'm serious, you can do that. When people are like, oh my god, when I meditate, all I have are these thoughts running around in my head. Well, you tell them, like an authoritative umpire, that now is the time for silence. Please. Because, you know, you can't be too harsh.

  • 27:17

    Two sets down, they're still like, I'm still in it. I'm still in it. And even if the other guy got another two sets, you still have the deciding set and you're like, I'm still in it. I'm still in it. I just keep going. And that's something with your meditation too, because even in the course of one sitting, it's like a whole game. There's ups and downs. So maybe in the beginning of your sit, you're like, your mind's all over the place.

  • 28:22

    And then you never know how the game's going to end because you just don't know. It's so unpredictable. Your mind is like way more unpredictable than a tennis game. So as long as you have the sense of, you know, keeping at it. And this doesn't mean just in one sitting. It means keeping at it through the years because... You're not going to get a lovely meditation every time, let me tell you. And there will be times in your meditation career where it's really hard because of whatever was going on in your life.

0:00 This is what should be done by one who is skilled in goodness and who knows the path of peace let them be able and upright straightforward and gentle in speech humble and not conceited contented and easily satisfied unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways peaceful and calm and wise and skillful not proud or demanding in nature let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove wishing in gladness and in safety may all beings be at ease Whatever living beings there may be, whether they are weak or strong, omitting none, the great or the mighty, medium, short or small, the seen and the unseen, those living near and far away, those born and to be born, may all beings be at ease. Report an error

1:26 Let none deceive another or despise any being in any state. Let none through anger or ill will wish harm upon another. Even as a mother protects with her life her child, her only child, so with a boundless heart Should one cherish all living beings Radiating kindness over the entire world Spreading upwards to the skies And downwards to the depths Outwards and unbounded Freed from hatred and ill will Whether standing or walking Seated or lying down Free from drowsiness, one should sustain this recollection. This is said to be the sublime abiding by not holding to fixed views. Report an error

2:37 The pure-hearted one, having clarity of vision, being freed from all sense desires, is not born again into this world. Report an error

2:56 Wow, I'm like conditioned. I always thought it was kind of cheesy when Ajahn Brahm did it at first, and look at me now. I'm just a conditioned thing. Anyway, the crazy sadhus, if anyone else hasn't heard them before. Okay, so now I guess I talk, right? Now I talk. Well, I thought I would do something in honor of the fact that I believe... Report an error

3:28 How many of you watch tennis? I'm not raising my hand. Any of you? Yeah? Yeah, okay. Two people only. Oh, you're missing out everybody else. Okay, well anyway, is it now the French Open or is it just recently finished? It is the French Open now. No, finished. Okay, one or the other. I can't tell what you're saying. You're muted. Okay, anyway, the French Open, for those of you who do not watch tennis, is one of the four Grand Slams that happen. Report an error

3:58 These are the major tournaments. And I used to love watching tennis. I promise I haven't done it, sadly. I haven't done it since I've become a nun. But I used to love watching tennis. I was like the number one armchair tennis player. Can you be such a thing? I was definitely an armchair tennis aficionado, as was my mom. Report an error

4:29 Which is hilarious because neither one of us had ever like stepped on a court and hit a ball with a tennis racket before. But somehow just by pure watching it, we figured out how it worked. We figured out how the game worked and it was like, ah, this is like, this is the best game ever. And even after I started to practice the dharma, I'm like, there's so much dharma in watching a tennis game. Report an error

4:53 I'm serious. I'm not just justifying it, but, but it's seriously. You can totally contemplate dharma and meditation principles, et cetera, et cetera, through the lens of tennis. So I don't know, there's been a talk on the dharma of tennis, but this will be what tonight's one will be about. So I have to say, I promise, it's because I told you, I really haven't watched since I was a nun. I really had to look it up today. I had to look up to remind myself, how is tennis scored? Report an error

5:24 Because it is completely complicated. So for those of you who do not watch tennis, I'll just give a quick recap so that you all are not lost and there's only two people who are following anything I'm saying. But okay, so tennis is composed... We start from the small then, okay? You have to win four points to win what's called a game. Report an error

5:50 And then you have to win six or seven, sometimes, games to win a set. And then you have to win... Two out of three sets if you're a woman and three out of five sets if you're a man, at least back in the day. I don't know. I don't know if women have to play five sets too. But anyway, in the olden days when I watched, it was three sets for women and five sets for men at most. But if you win in two sets, you don't have to play the third set. Report an error

6:19 And then, yeah, and that's how you win what's called a match. If none of you follow that, never mind, because I'm going to tell you a story. of I don't know if it's still considered the best match of all time but back when I was a well it was hard to say because it was actually the last the last tennis match I ever watched I think um from Wimbledon before I became a nun so to me it was definitely like the best match ever but I think if you google it it's still considered one of the best matches of all time so this was not the French Open this was at Wimbledon everyone's heard of Wimbledon right okay yeah right so but anyway It was Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. And these are like the bigwigs. Report an error

7:09 They're probably one and two or something like that. And the score, again, I looked this up. I don't have this memorized. The score was Rafael Nadal was up two sets. The score is six to four, six to four. So, you know, pretty good. He broke serve. And, um... In the third set, Roger Federer's like, oh my god, I'm down two sets, this guy's gonna win. He like clawed his way back, clawed his way back to get a tie break. Report an error

7:40 Nadal wasn't giving up too easy, so it was a tie break. And it went in favor of Federer, so he won the third set 7-6. And so the fourth set could be the decider if Nadal won. But then again, Federer clawed his way back to keep himself in the match. And it went to tiebreak again. And then it was Nadal was again lost to tiebreak. So Federer got up 7-6. So now Federer's got two sets. Nadal's got two sets. Report an error

8:06 Federer barely got them, but he got them. That's all that matters. It's like you could be on the wait list to get into Harvard. Once you get into Harvard, you're always going to be a Harvard graduate. So it's the same thing. So he got two sets, two sets. And then the final set, this was like epic. Because in the final set in the olden days, you had to win by two sets. Report an error

8:25 You couldn't just be like. Okay, another tie break. No, in the last set, it has to go up. You have to win like 7-5 or 8-6, but it went to 10-8. I mean, can you imagine that? 10-8. It was like nightfall by the time the guys stopped playing. It was like a match of almost five hours long, which to me is like incomprehensible. Report an error

8:47 I mean, I can certainly watch five hours, but I don't think I could play 10 minutes. So anyway, the thing is, this shows you just how Report an error

8:58 How uncertain a tennis match is. This is why I loved it. I loved it because you never knew how it was going to go. I mean, you watch something like soccer in American English, maybe football in Australian English, and you're like, you're waiting for like a whole hour and maybe someone doesn't even score one goal. Report an error

9:18 It's like the most boring thing ever. But with tennis, it's like something's always going on and then you don't know which way it's going to be. Report an error

9:25 What I always marveled at more than their technical skill was that I'm like they gotta have a lot of like mental training the people who can be champions in tennis because you have to be able to ride that wave of like I was ahead and now I'm behind and am I gonna win the tie break and all of this and you can see that among the top players it's not necessarily technical skill. Report an error

9:54 There were people who were very talented and, you know, if they were playing well, they played really well and they had, you know, amazing serves, amazing whatever, you know, returns, all this stuff. But the thing is, if their mental, they weren't able to like, you know, have the mental stability to keep going no matter what seesaw, part of the seesaw they were on, they would just choke. Report an error

10:19 You know, they just, all that talent went to waste because they couldn't. Report an error

10:54 It takes a lot of that, I think, to be able to succeed, certainly in tennis. Because if you think about it, if you were Nadal, you were two steps ahead, you know, two sets up ahead, and this guy barely snatched from you with these like very close tie breaks, wouldn't you get a bit frustrated and feel like, oh my lord, I had a bag, and then now what? Report an error

11:16 And then if you let yourself, you know, if you let yourself get carried away by an emotion, you wouldn't be able to play the next point. and you would like mess it up and then you really would lose and it's something where this is why they have things called sports psychologists because they know this is this is where matches are won is in the head and that's something which you know i felt like i used to what among my many gigs as she said i did various jobs but i used to be a journalist and i i always wanted to interview i mean i wasn't a sports journalist but i always wanted to interview rafael nadal to ask him Do you have a meditation practice? How do you keep your mind so in the present moment? Because that's what it is. Report an error

11:58 When you're watching a great tennis player, you can see that they have to really be right there in that moment. to be able to just do it without having that bigger storyline of like oh my god oh my god it's you know whatever point it's triple match point it's whatever whatever and i've lost it or i've got it or all of that they're able they have to just be in that point and i believe i i could be wrong i mean it's been so long ago i think i might have read um an interview with Nadal or an interview with some other some other good tennis player that they said i just play the point in front of me and that was like exactly They just have to focus on the point right in front of them and just do what they feel is appropriate in that moment with that particular point. Report an error

12:46 And as long as they're just playing with each point, then success is easier. Then if they put all this pressure on themselves to like, oh my gosh, this is the set point, or this is the match point, or this is the thing that's going to break the tie break. And that's something which, yeah. It takes a lot of present moment awareness. And the thing about that is that it involves having to really, really, you can't afford it. Report an error

13:17 You can't afford to have any worry about what just happened. And you can't afford to have any concern about what will happen. Will I win? Will I lose? Did I just mess up? Did I not mess up? Was the line call wrong? All of that stuff. It reminds me of something I do, which is the most athletic thing I do. Report an error

13:36 is I At the monastery, we have to chant our monastic rules every fortnight, every Wimbledon fortnight, every two weeks. And then one of us has to do it. And we do it by, I mean, now every one of us that does it here does it by memory. And it's like basically chanting for about an hour nonstop our rules from memory. Report an error

14:03 memory and the way i feel when i'm doing it it's like i'm like i'm like doing all this like acrobatics with my tongue to be able to pronounce poly which is like not my native language i mean maybe not in this lifetime maybe maybe some previous lifetime it was but in this lifetime it's like some very foreign language that i had to learn how to pronounce and how to do it quickly because if you don't do it quickly it takes longer than an hour to chat and and to do all the acrobatics you know i feel like ah yes this is very athletic But the other thing is, in that kind of activity, it's just like a tennis player. I cannot afford to worry about the mess up I just made. Because, you know, I mean, who can chant that perfectly from memory? Report an error

14:43 Maybe someone can, but it certainly isn't me. It certainly isn't anybody I've ever seen. So you have somebody called a checker. So as you're chanting, someone checks to see whether or not you made a mistake, and then they call out, oh, okay, you said this word wrong, that word wrong. And when I was first starting to do this, every time the checker said something, Report an error

15:02 I would like it would bother me a little bit like either I felt like no I didn't say I said it right or I felt like oh my god I got it wrong or I felt like the way she interrupted me was like jarring and then I kind of lose it and I can't quite get back to the flow of what you know the rest of the chanting and I flub it and I you know it's like a little bit difficult but then I thought no you just can't worry about it whatever whatever happened happened you got it right you got it wrong They got it right. They got it wrong. Maybe they made a mistake and corrected you incorrectly, if that makes any sense. But you just have to keep moving. You just have to keep going because otherwise it's going to mess up the next word, the next word. Report an error

15:40 And so then you can't think also, how much longer? It's 311 rules. I'm only at 100. How much longer? I'm getting tired. So you can't worry about that either. You just have to keep in the moment, keep on this particular word, and just keep going. And then I'm like, yeah, this must be what tennis is like. And the way to do it is, yes, you just keep at this point. And when you do that, you know, it's a really good way to experience being in the present moment with something that is more concrete and I guess more compelling than maybe watching your breath. Report an error

16:25 you know like watching your breath you know it doesn't feel so urgent it's like oh there's one there's another one you know like the differences between them are quite subtle you know it's not like like if you're playing a tennis game you know it's like okay the ball's coming here and it's like going there and it's one point two points three points it's it's more discreet where the present moment is and what you have to stick with right and it also feels more compelling because you're like okay if i mess this Point up, then I'm down, whatever, however many sets I'm down or however many points I'm down. There's a clear consequence. Report an error

16:58 And when I'm chanting the Patimokkha, there's a clear consequence. If I've got the word wrong, then I have to recorrect it. I have to keep moving so that we finish the recitation. So there's a clear something to keep you, there's like a motivation to keep you in the present moment, which we have to learn how to transfer that to when we meditate. Report an error

17:16 Because sometimes it doesn't feel like what the Buddha told us. The Buddha said, practice like your hair is on fire. And you're like, I never had my hair on fire. I know what that feels like. And I'm just watching my breath. It doesn't feel so urgent. It doesn't feel like your hair is on fire. But you kind of have to have that. Report an error

17:35 Have that sense that this moment matters the most. And that's when death contemplation helps. This is going to be my last moment. This is going to be my last breath. Report an error

18:13 channel that feeling or that sense you have of the preciousness of the present moment when you meditate then that might that might help because the present moment and our ability to stay on it is very elusive and so that's something which which can help and the other thing that i found helpful that wow this i took so long talking about the the doll and i've never imagined how much time to talk about the dharma but okay let me quickly tell you about something else which is um something i I remember when watching the French Open, every so often the umpire would say, whenever the crowd was getting too loud, they get really excited, it's a triple match point, or it's like the deuce is going to be broken, all this stuff. Report an error

18:56 The umpire says, very politely, to the crowd, which is basically, you know, silence, please. I learned my French from watching the French Open. So it's like, oh, yes. And then the crowd would go quiet for a little while. And then it blurs up again. And it's just like your inner chatter. You know, sometimes I do this when I'm meditating, whether it's sitting meditation or walking meditation, and it's like my mind's like, just give her a great chatterbox. Report an error

19:25 Then sometimes I say, sort of jokingly, but sort of seriously, And, you know, kind of my mind's like, it silences a little bit because I was well-trained by watching years and years of French Open. Then that is the appropriate response. And so that's something, I'm serious, you can do that. When people are like, oh my god, when I meditate, all I have are these thoughts running around in my head. Report an error

19:53 Well, you tell them, like an authoritative umpire, that now is the time for silence. Please. Because, you know, you can't be too harsh. And there is something about doing something a bit jokey like that, which I think is... The other thing that I found You know, sort of revealing that mindfulness has gone everywhere now. Because I was watching, yes, I admit, I don't watch tennis, but if you're on a Singapore airline flight where there's like screaming babies around you and you're like, there's no chance I'm going to sleep, then you go look for the documentaries because those are allowable. Report an error

20:57 The documentaries on the in-flight entertainment. So I watched this documentary where somebody was interviewing Djokovic. Is that how you say his name? The other famous tennis player. And he was talking about how, yes, he's, you know, he practices mindfulness. And it's helped him a lot because he used to get very emotional on big points and then that's how he would lose it. Report an error

21:21 But now, he says, when during the game I feel like a lot of like a strong emotion coming up, whether it's like, you know, sense of fear or like nervousness or excitement or something. He learns how to just use mindfulness to be aware of that feeling and drop any storylines he's created around that feeling. Report an error

21:43 Like, oh my god, nobody cheers for me. They're always cheering for my opponent. Or like, I don't know, whatever storyline. Like, oh no, you know, I'm losing my ranking. If I don't win this tournament, I'm going to keep becoming more and more mediocre. Report an error

22:00 He learns how to drop the storyline and to just be with the feeling of the fear or whatever, which is something you can feel very clearly in your body. And especially if you're an athlete, you're very aware of what your body is like, what it's feeling. So that's a very simple technique that we can all do. Report an error

22:17 So even if we're not playing a tennis game, but in our daily life or even when we're meditating, when we're meditating, we can feel sometimes frustrated with it, right? You can feel like, ugh, like, you know, why is my mind not responding to Sinon's simple play appropriately? And it's like still chattering or why is it I'm so sleepy? Report an error

22:36 I'm wasting all this time or whatever. And you might feel frustration come up. Then you can feel that frustration in your body and let it subside. Because as long as you've got that, you know, more coarse feeling, you can't focus something more subtle. If you're trying to focus on something more subtle, you're just forcing your mind to do more than it's... Report an error

22:57 appropriate at that time and so Report an error

23:26 you know unusual and strange what is this or whatever it can be pleasant but you know you could also be a little bit like like a little bit afraid of it like what is this and um and that can be a big stumbling block is when your mind gets wrapped up in the fear or the excitement about it oh finally they all talk about rapture or bliss and i'm finally feeling it i think and then you you get all caught up in your excitement that yay score you know and then it's like gone because because you're no longer You're no longer just with the experience. Now you're with your story and you're craving about it. And so then you can do exactly what a tennis player does in those big points. Report an error

24:05 You try to forget about the story you have about your meditation experience and just be with the emotional response you have to it. And after that subsides through that sheer awareness, you can go back to whatever it is that you were feeling underneath that. And so that's something which... It's helpful at any stage of your meditation, especially the more, I guess, unfamiliar new experiences you might have, then it becomes especially useful. Report an error

24:34 And what else? I have only a few more minutes, so let's go for gold. Another thing I feel is really helpful is to adopt the attitude of not playing to win, you know? I mean, I don't know. I've never got to interview Rafael Nadal. But I wonder, like, when you enter a match, are you thinking of winning it? Or are you just thinking of playing the point for the sheer fun of it, you know? Report an error

25:07 I don't know when you become a professional athlete if you can, like, become more jaded and you lose that innocent enjoyment you once had of this game that you just loved as a kid. I don't know. But I think the trick is... is to is to play not to win now i'm not gonna talk about tennis player i read i read something about um this young football player from spain he plays for barcelona and his name is something i don't remember his name but he's like really young he's like a teenager he's like a hot shot so he was saying when people are like do you feel the pressure and he was like if i think about it i feel the pressure but if i just enjoy what i'm doing and have fun i don't feel the pressure And that's exactly the same thing that happens when we meditate. When we're like, I'm going for jhānas, man, because Ajahn Munissara keeps on talking about it. Report an error

26:01 I finally want to get it. And then you're like, you have a goal in mind. You want to win it. And then it tanks. Your meditation tanks because you're not focused on the moment. You're focused on something in the future. And that's something which... It's also, you know, it's just fraught with craving, which is going to never work, you know, when you're meditating from this standpoint of wanting to get something. Report an error

26:29 And so you no longer just enjoy the meditation. But if you have that idea of, you know, I'm not meditating to win anything. I'm not meditating to get anything. I'm just playing to play for the sheer joy of playing. I'm just meditating for the sheer joy of meditating. I'm just being with this breath for the sheer joy of being with the breath. Report an error

27:17 Two sets down, they're still like, I'm still in it. I'm still in it. And even if the other guy got another two sets, you still have the deciding set and you're like, I'm still in it. I'm still in it. I just keep going. And that's something with your meditation too, because even in the course of one sitting, it's like a whole game. There's ups and downs. So maybe in the beginning of your sit, you're like, your mind's all over the place. Report an error

27:38 And then, you know, you're like, oh, this is a terrible meditation. But after a while, you're like, hey, my mind's getting more peaceful. Then after a while, it's so peaceful that you start to get sleepy. And you're like, oh, damn, I lost it again. And then it's now you're in sleep's land. And then you're like, oh, forget it. It's a waste of time. I'm just going to stop. But no, if you actually just kept on sitting, kept on sitting. Report an error

27:58 You would ride through the sleepiness and then you would reach something else, which would be maybe a place of great calm. And so you're always still in it, you know, if you keep at it. So if you say you're going to sit for an hour and you feel like, oh, it's terrible in the first 15 minutes, don't give up yet, just keep going. Maybe by 40 minutes you're like, okay, that's really enough. Report an error

28:20 Yeah, just keep going. And then you never know how the game's going to end because you just don't know. It's so unpredictable. Your mind is like way more unpredictable than a tennis game. So as long as you have the sense of, you know, keeping at it. And this doesn't mean just in one sitting. It means keeping at it through the years because... Report an error

28:41 You're not going to get a lovely meditation every time, let me tell you. And there will be times in your meditation career where it's really hard because of whatever was going on in your life. And you can't be like, oh, I give up meditation. I'm not good at it. I can't do it. Because unlike tennis, everyone can do it. Report an error

29:05 That's the thing about the dharma. Anyone can practice it. Everyone has the exact same potential. It's just how much you just keep at it until you realize your potential. So as much as we like to glamorize all the great, I don't know, qualities and skills and psychic powers or whatever, I mean, really, like a lot of success, maybe 99 % of it is just keeping at it and being patient about it. Report an error

29:34 And that's something which... I think it's really, you know, at the heart of being a champion, whether the champion tennis player or champion. I guess we don't have champion, champion meditators unless you consider enlightenment the true biggest trophy ever. But yeah, so maybe that's the rousing end to sort of take heart, take heart from these great tennis players who never give up until it's really the five sets over. Report an error

29:59 It's really the end game. And even if you lost this time, there's always the next grand slam coming up. So it's never over till it's over. So as long as you keep at it with this heart of just enjoying it, because even if you lose or win, at the end of the day, you're going to get older and then some new young hotshot will come along anyway. Report an error

30:14 So just enjoy while you can. And the same with your meditation. Just enjoy whatever experience you have in this particular game of your meditation. So that's probably enough talking. Let's have a game of meditation. Okay. Report an error

30:30 So I think I'm Report an error

30:37 just setting my timer so that we don't we don't over meditate if there were such a thing okay so so just settle into your cushion chair wherever a bed and just Report an error

31:00 find a place in your body space inside you feel some comfort and then spread that head Report an error

31:18 to toe Sending that comfort to your face, relaxing it, and getting ready to just have an enjoyable 30 minutes. So easing the neck, shoulders, chest, upper back, lower back, the abdomen, your arms from your shoulders down to the fingertips, and Report an error

32:05 your legs from the hips down to the knees. Down to the ankles, down to the toes. Report an error

32:22 So we're going to play a game of mental tennis, so to speak. So imagine you're just getting yourself warmed up, warmed up with a big game. You can do any pre-match rituals you might have, adjusting your so-called tennis costume, saying any helpful prayers. That's Buddha Dhamma Saṅgha times three. And Report an error

33:01 then forgetting. Report an error

33:05 Where your match is being held, how far along you are in the tournament, all of that. Just going out into the sunshine to enjoy what you love to do best. You Report an error

33:54 can hear a lot of people cheering for you. That's nice. And then try to bring your mind inwards so you're not focused on anything outside. Just Report an error

34:17 coming into your own body. Your own mind. You Report an error

34:45 can notice if you're feeling any emotions coursing through you. Report an error

34:54 Any pressure you might be feeling. To have a good meditation. To have a peaceful experience. Just Report an error

35:11 feeling where that might be felt in your body. Or if you have some excitement about what's going to unfold. Or if you're bored. Find the feeling in your body. Report an error

35:31 And relax into it. Report an error

35:36 Softening around it. And Report an error

36:01 just remind yourself there's nothing to be gained, nothing to be lost. You're not here to win anything, to attain anything. Report an error

36:15 You're just here to experience the sheer joy of being with your breath. Report an error

36:31 What is the breath? Report an error

36:37 Well, we can only know it by what it feels like. How does it feel? It Report an error

36:47 comes in and it goes out, just Report an error

37:10 as you might. Follow a tennis ball on the court with your eyes. Follow the movement of your breath with your mental eye, with your awareness. Report an error

37:25 No thinking needed. Just follow where you feel it. So Report an error

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38:27 just as there's something called the sweet spot on a tennis racket, where the ball hits the sweet spot, it feels just right. So in the same way, just notice how you're... Being aware of the breath. If you're gripping it too tightly, or if your awareness is too loose and it's drifting, try to see if you can find the sweet spot where you're not holding too tightly or too loosely. Report an error

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41:08 sign starts to chatter. It hasn't quite stopped. Report an error

41:18 Just remind it, silence, s 'il vous plaît. It Report an error

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45:34 feels more settled and spacious. Enjoy that spacious feeling. Report an error

45:44 Wide open, like a tennis court, like an arena. Just Report an error

45:56 let your mind roam where it wants to. No need to control or choose the direction. Just Report an error

46:10 enjoy the space. You Report an error

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51:22 can spend some time sharing the peace and joy you might have experienced, to whatever degree we did, to other beings. So that our practice is not isolated, but is connected. Report an error

51:52 As it naturally is with all other beings. So you can imagine yourself standing on the tennis court of a really huge stadium. From Report an error

52:18 your little rectangle in the middle, you Report an error

52:26 can imagine yourself spreading this Report an error

52:31 palpable feeling of lightness, peace, of joy. Report an error

52:44 First to your opponent, so to speak, whoever is nearest to you. physically and then outwards people in the front row seats and Report an error

53:04 then the next level the Report an error

53:10 next level going higher and higher up in the stands in Report an error

53:22 all directions north south east west whatever seat number they have however much or little they paid for their tickets to all beings in the stadium not just the people maybe the birds have come to Report an error

53:48 Eat little crumbs of snacks, to Report an error

53:55 any little insects that are fluttering around the stadium lights, to Report an error

54:06 any devas who enjoy a good tennis match, to Report an error

54:14 all beings beyond the stadium, Report an error

54:22 beyond what country you're in, what Report an error

54:30 continent you're in, even Report an error

54:35 what planet you're on. The spreading, the peace, the joy, the light, all the way. in all directions. Report an error

54:53 every obscure corner of the universe. Report an error

55:03 far as your mind can reach. Report an error

55:08 As wide as your heart will open. Report an error

55:30 May all beings be Report an error

55:39 well and happy. Report an error

55:43 May they be free from all suffering. May they live with ease. Report an error

55:57 Truly, deeply free. And Report an error

56:14 now just bring your awareness back inwards, coming Report an error

56:24 back inside your own mind, your own body, feeling the warmth in your heart, and Report an error

56:41 keeping it there to Report an error

56:49 nourish you beyond this meditation. So when you're ready, you can open your eyes, come Report an error

57:02 back to wherever you are. Okay. Report an error

57:12 So I hope you could hear me because people tell me my voice gets very soft in guided meditations. But never mind. Sometimes guided meditations are better when you have your own silence and your own guidance. So I'm happy to answer questions if anyone has any. Report an error

57:36 Don't be shy. Report an error

57:42 Oh, everyone's so peaceful. This is Martha. Hello, Martha. I'm grateful for you. Thank you. I do want to ask, however... Report an error

58:03 At the end, I don't want anyone to experience the way that I am feeling right now. Report an error

58:13 fear and loathing, except for the people who put me in the situation. Now, I can, because of years of practice, keep my eye on the ball, so to speak, in the present moment, when I want to. Report an error

58:35 What would you say to the person who really has nothing to look forward to? I'll give you an example. Let's see, like the child born into family 14 who's never really taken care of, never looked at, never fed and held and whatnot, and orphaned. Report an error

58:51 Or, I don't know, in America, we created a race. We created a race in America of African Americans. We made them work for free. Then we evicted them, quote-unquote, at emancipation, quote-unquote. We gave them cents on the dollar, the men. So we emasculated them, and then we drove them insane and told them it was their fault. I'm in that place right now, peace within, but only when I'm with people like you, doing meditations. Report an error

59:33 I'm not really generating joy or happiness right in the very second. I'm pretty much eliminating negative states. There is a deep place within that is completely still 100 % peaceful and calm. Report an error

59:52 Body, not so much the mind, because I can do the silence and it works, but the body, I can feel the cortisol working through my veins. What would you say to someone like that who really doesn't have basic needs taken care of in the context of the other parts of the path that are not meditation? Report an error

1:00:23 Thank you. This is Martha. That's all I have to say. Thank you, Martha, for sharing honestly like that. Even the Buddha said that some basic needs... Have to be met so that you're physically well enough. But what you're describing about sort of the more emotional kind of scars you might have or the feeling of, yeah, I mean, trauma is a big word, but, you know, just the pain that we can carry in our lives. Report an error

1:01:03 But that's not something that can't be an object of the present moment. And peace is not something other than that. Peace is found within that, actually. It's kind of amazing, you know. Report an error

1:01:19 I remember reading, you might have heard of her, Pema Chodron is an American nun ordained in the Tibetan tradition. But, because I started out in the Theravāda tradition, so I hadn't really read her stuff. Report an error

1:01:42 I was such a snob when I lived in America, you know, when you walk to a bookstore, there's like three people. It's like Dalai Lama, Thich Nhat Hanh, and Hema Chodron. I'm like, look at the masses are reading this lady then. Surely, surely I'm going to read something more highbrow. Oh, what an arrogant little poof I was. But anyway, so when I actually did read, I was like, wow, this is, I'd never heard of how to work with difficult emotions like this. Report an error

1:02:03 I didn't sort of, had never gotten those teachings before. And, um... And the concept that she talked about, not concept, but the idea, I guess, or the reality of it that she described was that within all these energies that you're talking about, I mean, you can biologically describe it as cortisol or something, but what that physically produces in your body is an actual sensation of fear, of discontent, anger, pain, all of that. Report an error

1:02:37 and it's um but the liberating the liberating concept was that this is none other than the energy of wisdom it is it is not different the energy of peace that comes with wisdom it is not different it is the same thing it's when we don't we don't freeze that energy by fixating on it this is pain this is fear this is anxiety but we let it actually it has a very fluid nature and if we are Report an error

1:03:08 So, Report an error

1:03:24 to be able to actually just be with it. It's like, wow, it's like such a like... You have to be a bit brave to allow yourself to actually maintain your awareness of that unpleasant physical sensation. I mean, these feelings do not feel pleasant. They feel, they are. It's called pain because it is physically painful too. Report an error

1:03:58 Taken away into all my storylines about it like the story you told is very true and very real and that is the history of American and you know Race in America, that's not false, but the thing is it's still a storyline that is different from your actual physical experience If you're with the physical experience, you will see that actually if you're just with it, it shifts. It's fluid. Report an error

1:04:24 It's not something solid. And when you can see through that solidity and find that it's true nature's fluidity, then you can actually flow on with it. And it comes and it goes. It's like waves. And so you will see actually the peace is like part of the same process. It's like once the really painful sensation subsides, there is peace. Report an error

1:04:49 But if another thought comes in about whatever situation you're in that triggers the pain, then okay, you'll feel the pain again and you'll have another wave of pain. But if you just ride it with your awareness and just be with it, it sort of dissolves. It's like the weirdest thing. You have to experience it to be able to know what I'm trying to describe. But when it dissolves, it's really gone. Report an error

1:05:13 That particular wave of fear or anxiety or pain has passed. Report an error

1:05:49 I mean, you can try experimenting with that and see if it is beneficial. I've Report an error

1:06:00 done a lot of experiments. I'm not Buddha, Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad. I'm not capable of just sitting with it until it dissolves. And I also think it's unethical to think. It's a complex way to notice that people who haven't even tried practicing ever don't even understand these concepts. That everyone has everything that they need to do that. Report an error

1:06:27 I mean, I've been practicing for a very, very long time, and it is without the external conditions and support of this, even, just this. I've asked for this in my real life. You, the people who meditate with me, I just have 30 days before I'm going to sit up and do this. It's Report an error

1:06:53 all I ask for. Report an error

1:06:58 Yeah, sorry, I didn't actually hear that last part, but yeah. I hope your practice is... is helping in some way and that you keep at it and i'm sure um you know everyone's glad that this this group is able to support you in that are you still there no she's not okay well i hope she comes back next week and um yeah i mean let's be honest you know like in guided meditations you know like you don't know what the people actually are experiencing out there who are actually doing this so-called guided meditation with you so you say something but honestly The thing is, every person's experience in that 30 minutes will be very different. And it's just about being able to apply some principles of awareness or kind of the attitudes we have towards our experience that are most important, really. Report an error

1:07:59 And it's not to say that we always have to feel like peace and joy and light at the end of our thing. 30 minutes we might even just smack dab of like pain and suffering which you know it's just 30 minutes I mean so so knowing that um yeah we don't have to come to that place of peace joy light by 30 minutes we just learn to be with our experience whatever it is honestly but but also with a sense of warmth and acceptance and I feel if you just have those principles you can do anything with your meditation I mean you can experience anything in meditation and and just and just be able to navigate it with those very yeah very basic fundamental um core core principles so anyone else sky Report an error

1:08:48 or so simran simran from bali hello how are you good thanks how are you i'm great greetings from florida okay it's okay i wasn't sure who i'm looking at okay hello um thank you for your that was fun and i could relate to it and uh I had a very emotional meditation as I see that our friend Martha has had also. Her pain is very palpable. Report an error

1:09:24 I can relate to it because even though I had a more privileged upbringing, even painful but more privileged than she did, at least I had affection and love. But this child seems like she was deprived of all things. But it reminded me of a couple of things in the tennis. I played tennis as a child. I'm very good at a lot of things, but I'm never great at them. Report an error

1:09:56 You know, I never wanted to be an expert, but I act like I am because I know a lot about a lot of things. I learned how to play tennis on grass. Kind of cool to have that experience. And I had a good fortune to have a boyfriend who loved tennis. saved his life, actually. But one of the most beautiful things in tennis is being ready. Report an error

1:10:26 When you are ready, you are ready. And it is an intense readiness, but it's so beautiful to be able to focus on something like that. I just wanted to mention that. And also, when the game is You can't go back and change one thing. You can't change it. You can't change your sneakers that you wore the wrong ones that day. You can't change where you're born. Report an error

1:11:00 In other words, you can't change that you were deprived of childhood or, you know, we can't go back. I tend to dwell on the drama of childhood because I felt my innocence was taken away, which reminds me of just remembering Nikki who passed away. Like I said, I had an emotional meditation. And I just want to remember Nikki for a minute. And the other thing I wanted to say, I heard a great dharma teaching by Venerable Nick. Report an error

1:11:36 Who? You know Venerable's full name. But he's a Theravāda. He has a psychology background. And before he ordained or became a monk, he broke down. Similar to maybe Marsa. So he had to crawl back. He had a mother. So he went to his mother, and I think she was the Buddhist. So there's a blessing there. But she told him, maybe you know the story. Report an error

1:12:13 Maybe it's a simile or a parable or something. But his mother said to Nick, you are wounded. You have salt in your wound. A big lump of salt. This hurts. You have to dissolve the salt. You cannot dissolve the salt in one step. The only way to dissolve is by applying mettā, droplets of kindness. Report an error

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1:13:21 Continue practice, even if it takes... It dissolves. You need a bathtub to dissolve all this salt. And slowly by slowly... The wounds will heal and keeping the, I think it's like preparing with the Brahma Biharas, Muditā, Report an error

1:13:55 you know, to practice, to understand those four things has helped me enormously, Report an error

1:14:04 you know, because I had to learn how to love others more, more in general, to have more compassion for others, more sympathetic joy for others and reduce. Why wasn't it me and poor me and, you know, and in my being, you know, once in a while I may come up that may remember something horrible or something wild I did to them or something may bring it up and remember me by that. Report an error

1:14:41 I have a minute of pain from their remembering, but I won't give myself the second hour, you know. So if you're really practicing Buddha's words, you have 84,000 tools. To navigate, to navigate the tennis court, because those balls are coming at you left and right. And when you get there, and you've got a good game going, you Report an error

1:15:12 want to know what that point is. You can't predict it. That's going to take you. Report an error

1:15:20 I think practice and Pema Chodron, she talks plain English. She's a lovely nun and a great teacher. Her old staff, of course. She's up there in years now, bless her heart. But she's still alive, I think. Yeah, yeah, she's alive. Report an error

1:15:39 I wanted to say the fault story because that really impressed me. Because like Martha, I dwell on us too much. And all my friends are sick of it. They're sick of hearing. And you have to recognize the bad for the young normal. You know, they call me Skye, but my real name is Norma. And I really feel bad for that little girl. But I don't feel bad for this Norma. Report an error

1:16:17 I feel bad for that, Norma, and I can't let that go yet. I don't know why. There's a certain attraction for humans, for melancholy and suffering and negativity. It takes a human being ten times as long to accept something positive. Unless you're just born with that gift. Maybe it is karma after all, you know. Report an error

1:16:53 that we have to go through these things and if that be so then think of the salt you gotta use your loving kindness me i had to Right. Report an error

1:17:22 Yeah. I can't be here wishing I was there. Right. In other words... Report an error

1:17:18 misery, that is the biggest misery of all. wishing you were there or being here and wishing that we're different you know Report an error

1:17:42 Yeah, sorry, I didn't change my Zoom name. That's our shared Zoom account. So that's the name of our monastery. But my name is close enough. It's Munissara, close enough. So, but yeah, no, thank you for sharing. And I'll just share like a piffy, but very helpful combination of, you know, I have to say, I heard the quote first from Oprah, the second most influential spiritual teacher in the world after the Pope. Report an error

1:18:13 Who has now passed away, so maybe she's ranked number one now, according to one ranking. But anyway, I found that this quote actually was sort of similar to something His Holiness the Dalai Lama said, so either way it sounds good. But it's something like this. To be able to sort of forgive your past, forgive people, or let go of the past, is to give up the hope that the past could have been any different. Report an error

1:18:38 So it's exactly what you said about you can't change your shoes, you can't change any point in the game, it's done. So you can't change what happened to little Norma. But when you give up the hope that it could have been different, you free yourself. And that's something which you can compare the feeling of that freedom and the feeling of enjoyment from melancholy. Report an error

1:19:05 So it's only when we see the suffering of... the melancholy that's actually there there's some enjoyment we can enjoy anything frankly so we are twisted that way and um but when you see that oh you know if i can actually experientially compare whatever satisfaction i get from dwelling and sort of be You're going to laugh. Report an error

1:19:25 with the freedom of giving up the hope that your past could have been different. And that's something which, yeah, I found very powerful, that statement. You're going to laugh. Yeah. Yeah. It seems so ridiculous that we cling to that. But then again, that's grasping, right? No, that's habit. That's what kama is. Kama is habit. And so all of those things that people who just naturally are like positive minded, they're not actually positive minded. Report an error

1:19:58 They just build up the habit over, you know, many lifetimes. And so if we have a habit of like melancholy and, you know, whatever, me, righteous indignation, whatever it is, it's just a habit. and it can be we can you know we can condition ourselves to have new habits that are you know more more helpful more beneficial and so that's something which is why the path is wide open you know and that's something which gives us all a sense of hope um and yeah so the past we can't do nothing about but the present we can and the future will come from what the present is so so that's very empowering So I wanted to go back to Simran who has been patiently, she or he, I'm not quite sure. Yeah, me too. Report an error

1:20:47 Shaving head ladies, you know, unite. I'm wearing a beanie, but no, I am literally just shaved because yesterday was supposed to and I'm a day late in shaving. But anyway, naughty nun. Okay, so what was your question? My question was, oh, I just want to make a comment first, which is I wanted to say that I, I appreciated what you just said about how meditation doesn't have to have, you know, we might not finish on the most positive note because I had a temporary seminary program. Report an error

1:21:19 At the start, I noticed we'd be in deep meditation and you just hear so much crying, multiple people just crying in their meditation. And then towards the end of this seminary program, you know, people were just loving it and they wouldn't come out of the meditation. So I think it's so valid that you need to... Report an error

1:21:37 Sometimes go through that to then, you know, come to the blissful states. But my question was during the meditation when you mentioned about when the mind chatters, I wasn't sure if that was just like me picking up on a technicality, but I have previously been sort of informed by other like monks that, or nuns, that the... Report an error

1:22:07 The mind is sort of like, let's say, the post in the water. The what in the water? Sorry? The post, like a buoy. Post, post, right. And the thoughts are sort of like the waves, but the post is separate in that sense. So my question was regarding when you said when the mind chatters, is it sort of that the mind is noticing the chatter? Report an error

1:22:39 Or is it the mind itself? Oh, yeah, okay. It's like it's all semantics. So, yeah, I guess in that sense, all I meant was that there are thoughts happening or floating through the awareness. Report an error

1:22:57 Yeah, like the problem with mind is sometimes... It's used differently in different sentences and different senses. But all I meant really was to mean that you've got some thoughts in there. It isn't a silent sound booth in there. There's some thoughts going on. And you don't have to keep entertaining the thoughts. You can just tell the thoughts, excuse me, let's have some sex, man. Report an error

1:23:23 And all that is, is it's just a skillful means to try to, you know, because what happens is we latch on to the thoughts. Just the same with anything that's like, you know, we think it's like it's disturbing and leads us away from peace we like. So once we start, you know, once there start to be thoughts, I mean, I guess technically the mind is really the awareness, the citta, right? Report an error

1:23:48 So the awareness is what we can turn to notice that they're thoughts. But the thing is, we can also notice the process of us when we continue the thought. you know that's what it is that keeps the sentence going is that there is a thought but then we keep adding on to it whereas if we just sharpen our awareness and notice ah a thought has bubbled up and that i don't have to continue it then then the sentence stops and then you can have some silence and so that's that's where i was kind of getting at but um yeah that's the thing about meditation um and i'm like the worst one to say this because i'm such an overthinker but like you know i've had to learn over the years like Let's not think about it too much. It's more like a felt experience. And the words we put on top of it and how we describe it will be different. But the idea is really to kind of see what the word's pointing at in your own experience. Report an error

1:24:45 But yes, yes, I'd love to ask. Just quickly, where is this seminary ordination program you did? This was a public seminary program in Jakarta, Indonesia because we have a dream to pursue the monastic life. Report an error

1:25:02 Good dream. I have a medical condition and I have to treat that first before I can pursue that path. But I decided to dedicate myself to the practice in lay life as I can now. Since then, I try my best to continue with the rules and just focus on the four X's and all these things and live my life as much as I can within my means. Report an error

1:25:30 Hopefully, one day I'll be able to come to Dhammasara. I'm from Sydney, so I've already spoken to Ayya Karunikar, and she said, you know, I can stay at Santee for a bit when I can. So, yeah, I do hope one day I can come and, you know, be one of the nuns there. That's why I really appreciated when you gave such analogies. Report an error

1:25:49 It was so close to real life, because I think it's so nice to see that humane nature, that monastics are just people. You know, so I really appreciated that. It was really inspiring, so thank you. Yes, yes. Let me underline that monastics are just people. We just look funny. Report an error

1:26:06 But we actually are funny inside. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, like, the more you come to monasteries and you meet the nuns and you talk to them, the less, like, elevated it all seems. Report an error

1:26:37 path that will support you very well to work on, you know, the path, on your practice and all of that. So, so yes, you come, you see us, you're like, oh, okay, if these people can stay here, then surely I can. So anyway, that's, yes, just a small reality check for anybody who has highfalutin ideas about a monasticism. Okay. Report an error

1:27:02 I noticed that we are getting close to the finish time. We have had a request that the merit from coming together tonight be dedicated to Nikki, who was a member of the group. Report an error

1:27:48 Just letting you know that we've been asked to do that by one of the people here today. Thank you, Elle. But before we finish off, I just wanted to thank you so much. I've never had a tennis dharma talk and a tennis meditation, and it was just delightful. Some of the phrases that you introduced, it was just the lightness of it and just to try and bring a bit of fun into what sometimes can be As you mentioned also, a hard slog. It was very beautiful. So thank you so much for coming and joining us tonight. And we look forward to next time when you come back. Report an error

1:28:28 Yeah, well, thank you very much, Catherine, for moderating today. And I'm so glad that some of y 'all could follow the tennis analogy. But did you want to, shall we do something to formally dedicate the merits? Yes, please. Yeah, I don't think I've seen her in the few sessions I've done, so if you all can bring her to mind in actually her face, if you know what she looks like. Report an error

1:28:54 Just visualize Nikki in front of you and letting her know that we have again come together on a Tuesday night with the Armadale group. Done an hour and a half of practicing the dharma together and have her in mind. For her example of being a consistent member, practitioner, dedicated. So may she rejoice in our practice. Report an error

1:29:34 May our practice and whatever peace and happiness has come from it be shared with her wherever she is. May she be able to be supported in her dharma path to keep growing in this life. May she attain the highest peace of Nirvāṇa. Report an error

1:30:08 So if you'd like to keep doing that in your daily practice, then that'd be great. And I'll be happy to write her name on our chanting list that we do every day at Dhammasara. Do you know her last name? Or just Nikki? I will email it up to you. Okay. Up to the monastery. Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you. Okay, well, thank you everybody for joining and for your questions and your experiences that you've shared. And it's been lovely to see you all again. Next month will be another Non-Venable Jhenti, and then we are off for the bus, school holidays. Report an error

1:30:45 And then after that, we'll see what happens. So all the best to you and your practice. Until next time we meet. Thank you, Ajahn. Thank you, Ajahn. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. everybody. Come on. You're our chairman. Report an error

1:31:05 Thank you. Good night. Here we are. This Report an error

1:31:15 is the tea. Thank you, Catherine, for helping us. No worries. Report an error

1:31:24 Okay. So, is Bob? No, Bob's not there. Okay. Well, anyway, we'll try to compress the files tomorrow and send it to Bob. Just one thing. Bob has retired. Oh, no kidding. Really? Yeah, no kidding. No worries! Report an error

1:31:42 yeah he has retired so i think um currently currently there are they are still finding people to replace his position but i think according to my limited knowledge of the situation i think there are currently there is currently no people who is responsible for editing at the moment so i'm not sure about the file oh Report an error

1:32:09 okay um maybe you can just type in your driving otherwise you can just maybe keep it at the moment Oh, yeah, you mean, okay, so until you find, so currently none of the Armadale things are being published to the website, is that because there's no box? Yes, yes, yes, because I think it's like technique of the, it's not for the animal, but the... Report an error

1:32:43 The Buddhist Society of Western Australia, the BSWA, the technical team of the BSWA is currently like finding persons. Okay, okay. So we can hang on to the files for whenever. I mean, they don't go bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if there is place, I mean, if there is place in your drive for that, then you can keep that. Report an error

1:33:05 But I'm not sure about like, because it's really hard to find a person like Bob. Too much expectation on it. If that is okay, you can keep it on first. Okay, yeah, that's fine. Oh, that's sad. Okay, because I had just met Bob and Marlene. Now the team has changed. Okay, well, yeah, thanks for letting me know and I will... Oh, wait, does she want to say something? Marlene wants to... Yeah, yeah, Marlene wants to say something. You need to unmute Marlene. Report an error

1:33:45 Nikki H, P-E-T-C-H, Report an error

1:33:51 practitioner who died recently. Oh. Sorry, can I grab a pen? Report an error

1:34:06 Oops, sorry. Report an error

1:34:11 Yeah, yeah, maybe that's better. Report an error

1:34:17 Yes, yes, the old-fashioned way, email it to me. Okay, and yes, thank you, thank you. Okay, all right, sure. So I'll just, I guess, Gloria, you'll update me when that happens, if they ever find somebody. Yes, yes. sorry. Report an error

1:34:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is no one. Yeah, it's a big job. Okay, well, who knows what the devas will send. But anyway, it was nice to see you all. And thanks, Gloria, for you're now the coordinator. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks for taking that on. Another big job. Report an error

1:35:00 Anyway, yeah. Report an error

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Talk by Ajahn Munissara, recorded at The Armadale Meditation Group, 28 June 2025. Original at Buddhist Society of Western Australia: https://podcast.bswa.org/e/tennis-and-the-dharma-ajahn-munissara-the-armadale-meditation-group/. Licensed No license stated; shared with the archive's knowledge (courtesy note). Transcript generated automatically and may contain errors; the audio is the authoritative version.

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