Interdependence and Engagement

0:00 This podcast is offered by the San Francisco Zen Center on the web at www.sfzc.org. Our public programs are made possible by donations from people like you. Report an error in the passage at 0:00 Highlight the passage at 0:00

0:16 Well, what a joy to be with you. My name is Ben. I traveled here from Minneapolis, Minnesota, where I'm the guiding teacher at the Minnesota Zen Meditation Center. Report an error in the passage at 0:16 Highlight the passage at 0:16

0:35 Founded by Dainin Katagiri-Roshi, who originally came to the U.S. to serve here. And I'm just accustoming myself to the microphone. Report an error in the passage at 0:35 Highlight the passage at 0:35

0:51 Hello. Yet again, a new relationship every moment. Report an error in the passage at 0:51 Highlight the passage at 0:51

1:02 Yeah, I've been traveling around the country to talk about the material in this new book that I've written called Inside the Flower Garland Sūtra, which I'll be talking about this morning. And it's just very sweet to be here. There are many people here that I love deeply and people here that I'm just meeting. Report an error in the passage at 1:02 Highlight the passage at 1:02

1:22 And I have enormous gratitude for the upholding of the practice that you are doing. And the care for the place, I come into the space and I see it is really beautifully cared for, and I know that is not magic. It is magic, but it is the magic of people actually pouring their lives into taking care of the possibility of the dharma flourishing, so I'm really appreciative. Report an error in the passage at 1:22 Highlight the passage at 1:22

1:57 So I'm going to talk about... Report an error in the passage at 1:57 Highlight the passage at 1:57

2:02 Huayan Buddhism today. So just to give, to try and be pretty brief about this, but just some sort of historical context. So the Flower Garland Sūtra, Avatamsaka Sūtra, emerged in India about 1,500 years ago and then was translated into Chinese. In China, the title of the sūtra is Huayan, which means Flower Garland, Huayan Jing, Flower Garland Sūtra. Report an error in the passage at 2:02 Highlight the passage at 2:02

2:35 And the sūtra itself gave birth to an entire school of Buddhism called Huayan, which was very influential on East Asian Buddhism and still is. Probably many people here, even if you've never heard of Huayan Buddhism, your body has done things deeply informed by the teachings of the tradition. It is a living tradition. You can find Huayan teachers and temples, but it's not one of the kind of big... Report an error in the passage at 2:35 Highlight the passage at 2:35

3:05 Well-known ones at this time. And the reason that I am interested in helping people understand why in Buddhism is because I think the themes and the emphasis of the tradition are very timely. Also, the sūtra itself is absolutely staggeringly gigantic and incomprehensible, so I'm aware that most people are not going to be diving fully into the whole thing. Report an error in the passage at 3:05 Highlight the passage at 3:05

3:35 The themes that I'm going to be emphasizing today that I think are deeply inherent to the tradition are celebration of abundance, celebration of sensual experience. For anyone who knows a lot about early Buddhism, you might be aware that those are not the emphasis of the early Buddhist tradition. So celebration of abundance, celebration of sensual experience, celebration of interdependence. Report an error in the passage at 3:35 Highlight the passage at 3:35

4:04 celebration of the fact that each thing depends on everything everything depends on each thing and each thing depends on each thing so much so that they are not actually separate in any reasonable way celebration of social engagement celebration of the diversity of So these are the themes I'll be talking about today. Report an error in the passage at 4:04 Highlight the passage at 4:04

4:30 and When I was thinking about writing a book about Hua Yen, I thought these themes were really wonderful. And it's not really an innovative thought that these are really timely teachings. If anyone's familiar with the Vietnamese teacher Thich Nhat Hanh, he takes Hua Yen teachings as one of his main sources of inspiration and from which he derives teachings. Report an error in the passage at 4:30 Highlight the passage at 4:30

4:56 So as he was thinking about how do we make a modern or postmodern movement of engaged Buddhism, He looked very closely to two traditions, Yogacara, about which I've written two other books, and Huayen. So I'm basically just following him around at this point. And I feel pretty good about it. So when I was like, these teachings are very powerful and beautiful, but I could not find any way to write a book about it because the Flower Garden Sūtra is abundant in and of itself. Report an error in the passage at 4:56 Highlight the passage at 4:56

5:29 It's just abundant in words. It's about 1,400 pages in small print and large volume text in English. One student recently told me, a Chinese national, that it has one million Chinese characters. So that's about one million words. So just to give you a sense of scale, this book is 40,000 words. So the sūtra itself is about 25 times longer than this. And I thought, how am I possibly going to get my head around writing a commentary on that? And then the Hawaiian tradition has, it's very diffuse and expansive. Report an error in the passage at 5:29 Highlight the passage at 5:29

6:01 They celebrate constantly proliferating new ideas. So I was just sort of relieved because I didn't have to write a book because it's too hard. Happy days. You should always remember this if you're going to think about writing a book. You can always find an out. Report an error in the passage at 6:01 Highlight the passage at 6:01

6:19 Anyway, I went to a lecture by a wonderful professor named Dr. Jin Park, who was visiting Minneapolis from Washington, D.C., and she was giving a talk on Yogacara, Huayen, and movements for liberation, which she's probably my cousin or something. I don't know. She loves my favorite things. It was a great talk. Report an error in the passage at 6:19 Highlight the passage at 6:19

6:44 And afterwards, I said, you know, I really would like to write a book about Buoyan, but it's just, it's impossible. It's too big. I can't figure it out. And she said, oh, it's no problem. Just find, no problem. Also, later on, when I was like, I'm giving up, she said, no, you're not. She said, just look up Weesong's Ocean Seal Chart. Report an error in the passage at 6:44 Highlight the passage at 6:44

7:06 It's a very short Korean, Huayan text. In Korea, they call it Hwa-om. And this short text was designed as a compact summation of all the teachings of the tradition that can be chanted on a daily basis so a person can feel like they're staying in steady engagement with it. So I looked that thing up. It's 30 lines long, 210 Chinese characters relative to one million. Seemed way more appealing to me. And so this book is a new translation of the Ocean Seal chart that I did with my translation partner, Wei-Jen Tang from Dharma Dhamma. Report an error in the passage at 7:06 Highlight the passage at 7:06

7:41 Dharma Drum University in Taiwan. And it's a line-by-line commentary, which I have written on that translation. So, first theme I want to talk about, abundance. Report an error in the passage at 7:41 Highlight the passage at 7:41

7:56 Abundance, celebration of abundance. In Weisong's Ocean Shield chart, we encounter these lines. The abundant manifestations of wish fulfillment are inconceivable. This rain of jewels benefits all life. Filling all space, all beings benefit according to their capacities. So the rain of jewels. So Flower Ground Sūtra and the Wayan tradition are very visual. So I just invite you to, I assume you have seen rain. Report an error in the passage at 7:56 Highlight the passage at 7:56

8:31 Just imagine it's raining and every raindrop is a jewel, like a diamond or an emerald or a ruby. So this is... This is an image that is like of unbelievably vast array of beautiful, precious things. And this teaching is saying that's how it is. An unbelievably beautiful array of vast, vast, precious things. Report an error in the passage at 8:31 Highlight the passage at 8:31

9:04 So the two main ways in which this teaching on abundance is a medicine is one, The idea is to view the world with such a degree of abundance that you feel no interest in holding on to anything, so you're actively involved in giving people what they need to meet their material needs. Report an error in the passage at 9:04 Highlight the passage at 9:04

9:26 So the idea of abundance is to help us see the world in such a way that we are focused on understanding people's material needs and meeting them. Report an error in the passage at 9:26 Highlight the passage at 9:26

9:38 The second way in which this is generally interpreted, and many of the Korean commentators will point this out, they say, what does this ring of jewels represent? The jewels represent skillful means. So what does skillful means mean? Report an error in the passage at 9:38 Highlight the passage at 9:38

9:57 It means the capacity in any moment for any sentient being to do something that is conducive to liberation for everyone and everything. Report an error in the passage at 9:57 Highlight the passage at 9:57

10:10 One of the most central ideas in Buddhism, if you look at the Four Noble Truths and the original teaching, is that if there is consciousness, and that includes when you're asleep, like any kind of consciousness, there is the capacity to do something that is conducive to liberation. Report an error in the passage at 10:10 Highlight the passage at 10:10

10:27 There's suffering, and you can do something about it. So this rain of jewels, you say, represents this unbelievable array of capacities to do something. that would help everything be free from suffering. And if we are just very limited in our understanding, we just limit this to human beings, right now, eight billion human beings, including, of course, you, which right now can do something conducive to liberation for everyone. Report an error in the passage at 10:27 Highlight the passage at 10:27

10:57 And that's always true, as long as you are alive. I'm just limiting to human beings right now, and not to mention all the deities or Plants or animals, whatever they're up to. Amazing. Eight billion people. And you. If it was just you right now, able to do something conducive to liberation for everyone, already astonishing. Report an error in the passage at 10:57 Highlight the passage at 10:57

11:23 It makes the image of a rain of jewels pale if we really take it in. And if we live with this understanding, moment to moment, we and everyone we meet and everyone. is capable of doing something conducive to liberation. It profoundly changes how we live, for most of us, unless you're already there. Enjoy, if you're there. Report an error in the passage at 11:23 Highlight the passage at 11:23

11:48 You can just keep going. Find another medicine. Report an error in the passage at 11:48 Highlight the passage at 11:48

11:53 I'm going to read a short passage from the book related to this. Thank Report an error in the passage at 11:53 Highlight the passage at 11:53

12:18 you, truck. This teaching is to evoke a sense of abundance. It is to cut through anxiety, alienation, and clinging. Early Buddhist texts focus on giving things up so we can be free of our clinging. Huayen emphasizes seeing a world so replete with riches that we feel no need to hold on. Report an error in the passage at 12:18 Highlight the passage at 12:18

12:42 Huayen teachers understand that these abundant manifestations require our actual giving. In his commentary on this line, Pab Young writes, it may be compared to the wish-fulfilling gem possessed by a wheel-turning king. If it is kept in the royal treasury, it does not rain down all manner of treasures. Report an error in the passage at 12:42 Highlight the passage at 12:42

13:02 In a Pāli canon text, so that's from the earliest layer of Buddhist teachings, in a Pāli canon text, a king gets wise counsel on how to deal with bandits overrunning the realm. His advisor tells him that punishment and violence will not end the epidemic of crime. But, and here I quote the sūtra, with this plan you can completely eliminate the plague of crime. Report an error in the passage at 13:02 Highlight the passage at 13:02

13:26 To those in the kingdom who are engaged in cultivating crops and raising cattle, let your majesty distribute grain and fodder. To those in trade, give capital. To those in government service, assign proper living wages. Then those people, being intent on their own occupations, will not harm the kingdom. Your Majesty's revenues will be great, the land will be tranquil and not be beset by thieves, and the people, with joy in their hearts, playing with their children, will dwell in open houses. Report an error in the passage at 13:26 Highlight the passage at 13:26

14:03 So you may have heard this idea that Trying to eliminate crime through punishment and state violence is ineffective and a much more effective means would be to provide people the material they need, things they need to thrive. Report an error in the passage at 14:03 Highlight the passage at 14:03

14:17 It floats around in our culture. It's the basis of a couple movements, police abolition and prison abolition movements, but also many other maybe less hardcore worldviews. It's not new. It's right there in the foundational texts of this religious tradition. Report an error in the passage at 14:17 Highlight the passage at 14:17

14:38 And I had a pretty lively sense of this abundance kind of flavor of experience just from my practice and from this study. Report an error in the passage at 14:38 Highlight the passage at 14:38

14:53 But I will say that in the last several months, it has become yet more profoundly and amazingly vivid. So in Minneapolis in early December, A friend of mine was like, well, we understand, we've seen that ICE has been bringing a lot of violence to a number of cities and they're planning to come here. So I'm going to set up a new mutual aid network. We're just going to have a Google form that allows people to sign up if they want someone to deliver groceries to them because it's unsafe to leave home. Report an error in the passage at 14:53 Highlight the passage at 14:53

15:27 And then we'd have another Google form so people can sign up to deliver the groceries. And it's just called Neighbors Helping Neighbors. It's just a neighborhood thing. And then by mid-December, I was at a meeting, and they were like, you know, we have like 30 or 40 volunteers, so I guess I'm going to need a volunteer just to manage the requests and the spreadsheet and stuff. Report an error in the passage at 15:27 Highlight the passage at 15:27

15:49 And then a couple months later, there were like 3,000 or 4,000 people signed up and hundreds of requests being processed every day. And we decided that because the encouraging advice had caused thousands of people to be unsafe leaving their homes, we'd start raising rent money to pay people's rent. And we raised $5.7 million. And it's not like a nonprofit organization. It's just like some people in our neighborhood who did this for a couple of months. Report an error in the passage at 15:49 Highlight the passage at 15:49

16:18 And it's actually one of many, many other local things in our cities in Minneapolis and St. Paul. We've done this. There's millions and millions of dollars just raised because we're like, we can do this. We have the capacity to take care of each other. And this did not come magically out of something that happened in December. Report an error in the passage at 16:18 Highlight the passage at 16:18

16:37 I have been working with activists all over the Twin Cities for years who've been focusing on recognizing we have the material needs to take care of everyone. The material needs of the world are beautiful and replete so we can stop. extracting so much. This was the basis of a movement to stop the construction of a tar sands oil pipeline that we had. Report an error in the passage at 16:37 Highlight the passage at 16:37

17:02 So there's been community engagement around this worldview that has produced results, which I have found to be incredibly inspiring and beautiful. Report an error in the passage at 17:02 Highlight the passage at 17:02

17:18 So another central theme of Hawaiian traditions, interdependence, I would say Most people who know just a tiny bit about it, if you say, what's it about? They say, I think it's like interdependence or that Indra's net thing. I'm not going to talk about Indra's net today, but it's cool. Anyway, so we have a series of lines in Weesong's ocean seal chart that are expressions of this idea. Report an error in the passage at 17:18 Highlight the passage at 17:18

17:46 So it says, within one is all. Within many is one. One is all. The many are one. Within one mote of dust is contained the ten directions, and within each phenomena it is also thus. Immeasurable distant eons are one moment of mind, and one moment of mind is immeasurable eons. So the entire universe is contained in any particular thing because that thing is dependent on all the things in the universe. Report an error in the passage at 17:46 Highlight the passage at 17:46

18:18 And likewise, the entire universe only exists as it is expressed in Every and each particular thing, they have to be here. There's no universe without you right now. There's no universe without this lectern. This is how it actually is. Report an error in the passage at 18:18 Highlight the passage at 18:18

18:41 So I'm going to read just a little bit related to this teaching. Report an error in the passage at 18:41 Highlight the passage at 18:41

18:51 Weesong is the author of the Ocean Seal Chart, a Korean monk from about 1,500 years ago. When Weesong traveled to China for the Dharma, is. Report an error in the passage at 18:51 Highlight the passage at 18:51

19:02 He met a woman named Sonmyo who fell in love with him. He told her that his vow of celibacy meant he could not requite her love, and her ardor to protect him on his path transformed her into a dragon. Report an error in the passage at 19:02 Highlight the passage at 19:02

19:16 After years of caring for him on his travels, she became a great stone, hovering over invaders outside one of the first temples he founded. She is perched there still, now. a great stone guardian overlooking the Temple of the Floating Stone, Buseyaksa, near Yeongju City in Korea. The times of myth, of history, and of the present can collapse in a good story. Report an error in the passage at 19:16 Highlight the passage at 19:16

19:47 Trauma, too, can make the interpenetration of times vivid. Yesterday, someone described being overwhelmed by emotions during an argument with a friend. Suddenly they had the jarring experience of being a three-year-old child feeling the same rage, the same need to hold someone at bay who won't say no, that was showing up in their present life. Report an error in the passage at 19:47 Highlight the passage at 19:47

20:09 This collapsing of time and identity rang true to my own experience when I was receiving treatment for post-traumatic stress. Somehow I could be totally aware of my own bodily sensations. My own present moment sensory environment, my own agency and adulthood, and also absolutely be the terrified child consumed by shame, terror, and rage who in linear time had grown up 30 years ago. Report an error in the passage at 20:09 Highlight the passage at 20:09

20:37 Teachings on karma have much in common with contemporary theories of trauma. So does the Hawaiian emphasis on the interpenetration of past, present, and future. Report an error in the passage at 20:37 Highlight the passage at 20:37

20:55 And there are many analytical methods in the Huayen tradition, like sort of philosophical meditation approaches to helping us recognize interdependence from all different angles. They love to just proliferate methodologies, viewpoints, ideas, celebrate every possible angle of things. But unfortunately, I think the best way is the simplest, when we sit zazen. Report an error in the passage at 20:55 Highlight the passage at 20:55

21:23 And we have the opportunity to not divide the world up with our mind, then what is revealed is the world which is already undivided. Report an error in the passage at 21:23 Highlight the passage at 21:23

21:36 It's pretty simple. Report an error in the passage at 21:36 Highlight the passage at 21:36

21:43 So another, one of the implications of the teachings on interdependence in this tradition that is particularly influential on Soto Zen is the idea that since the entire universe is only can only be expressed in particular things that means each particular thing is utterly precious valuable and worth taking care of so if you've ever been like i don't know i don't know what you do for soji around here but if you're ever like i'm cleaning the floor again and it's perfectly clean that just emphasis on like just take care of this thing right in front of you it really matters just placing the cushions in a way that is beautiful Report an error in the passage at 21:43 Highlight the passage at 21:43

22:34 approaches to practice do not seem to have been heavily emphasized in earlier types of Buddhism, but as we move into China and the Hawaiian tradition, this emphasis on what we might think of as the world of things becomes really important. Early Buddhism, there's a lot of emphasis on looking at Consciousness itself. Well, what is the feeling here? Is there aversion? Is there desire? Is there concentration? Is there distraction? And that is really valuable. Report an error in the passage at 22:34 Highlight the passage at 22:34

23:07 But it's also valuable to turn the intensity of that presence and lens out towards taking care of these friends that we have everywhere we go. Report an error in the passage at 23:07 Highlight the passage at 23:07

23:22 So I'm going to read a little bit regarding this aspect of Huayen. Report an error in the passage at 23:22 Highlight the passage at 23:22

23:31 So as I said, this book is a commentary, so we have 30 lines of text, seven Chinese characters each, and one chapter per line. So this is a commentary on the line, within one is all, within many is one. If you want to sum up Huayan teachings in a single line, this is as good as it gets. The idea that each thing contains everything and everything is holding each thing pervades the tradition. Report an error in the passage at 23:31 Highlight the passage at 23:31

24:01 The implications are vast. When I interviewed folks for an article about Tomoe Katagiri, who was central in transmitting the practice of hand-sewing Zen religious garments to North America, her student Andrea Martin said, Tomoe-san continually showed that everything matters. Report an error in the passage at 24:01 Highlight the passage at 24:01

24:21 If the whole world is here in this cup of tea, this stitch, or this bow, don't you want to care for it? The Hawaiian master Jian wrote, Because in the Hawaiian teaching phenomena are the teaching, whatever phenomena are brought up, inexhaustible teachings are included. Report an error in the passage at 24:21 Highlight the passage at 24:21

24:42 Because everything is precious, discernment about how to care for things is precious. Once Tomoe-san was carefully making us tea. Apropos of something we'd been talking about a moment before, I began to quote a line from the Mettā Sūtra. She put down the tea things and faced me with her whole being relaxed, poised, and alert. Report an error in the passage at 24:42 Highlight the passage at 24:42

25:03 When the sūtra quote was over, she returned to making tea. Report an error in the passage at 25:03 Highlight the passage at 25:03

25:10 In Weesong's commentary on this poem, he repeatedly refers to the teaching of the ten coins. This is a common Huayen metaphor. If you have ten coins, any one of them completely contains all ten, for if you remove that one, there is no ten. Report an error in the passage at 25:10 Highlight the passage at 25:10

25:28 Within the ten coins, each one is completely contained in the ten, for if the ten were gone, so too would be the one. More subtly, if part of the ten were gone, the one would no longer be the exact same one it was. It wouldn't be the one that is thus in this particular relational context. Report an error in the passage at 25:28 Highlight the passage at 25:28

25:51 If a bowl of soup costs ten coins, the one as part of ten coins is sufficient. As part of nine, it is not. It is practical for people to agree that one coin always has the same value as one coin, but this is a limited view. A $50 parking ticket means something very different to someone who is hungry and poor than it does to someone with thousands, millions, or billions of dollars in the bank. Report an error in the passage at 25:51 Highlight the passage at 25:51

26:19 The power of one coin to buy a cup of tea or ten coins to buy a bowl of soup contains the entire universe, which shows up in the form of a mutual agreement between people about the value of a piece of metal. Report an error in the passage at 26:19 Highlight the passage at 26:19

26:33 Let us practice looking at money not just in terms of what we have and what we can get. But how this money impacts the whole and hence particular individuals within that whole. Our shared agreements about money often hide the fact that within the whole of our economy, many individual people work all day for just enough money to live beneath a freeway overpass. Report an error in the passage at 26:33 Highlight the passage at 26:33

26:55 These shared agreements can make it seem that someone who doesn't have a job deserves to live under a freeway overpass. Seeing that one is all, we can do better. Report an error in the passage at 26:55 Highlight the passage at 26:55

27:15 So Hannah Arndt is a... was a Jewish philosopher who escaped Europe in the late 30s and emigrated to the United States. And she wrote many amazing things, but one thing that she focused on is trying to understand how authoritarianism comes to be and how it can be countered, which for some reason is feeling really interesting to me lately. Report an error in the passage at 27:15 Highlight the passage at 27:15

27:44 I don't know. So Report an error in the passage at 27:44 Highlight the passage at 27:44

27:50 she once wrote, even the smallest act, in the most limited circumstances, bears the seed of boundlessness. Even the smallest act in the most limited circumstances bears the seed of boundlessness. And if you had quoted this to me and said, oh yeah, that's in a Hawaiian text, I would just say, that sounds right. I would believe you. But her point here is that Generally speaking when it comes to authoritarianism there's a tendency to sort of look at an authoritarian leader and their immediate cronies and be like those are the bad evil people and we need to get rid of them. Report an error in the passage at 27:50 Highlight the passage at 27:50

28:29 And her point is that authoritarianism exists only based on millions and millions of acts of active support for authoritarianism and sort of passive complicity with authoritarianism. Report an error in the passage at 28:29 Highlight the passage at 28:29

28:46 And this is Pretty similar, you know, if we think with a karmic Hawaiian worldview, the collective situation we're in is made by millions and millions of billions, I don't know, I'm not a mapologist, a lot of tiny acts. And they all matter. And we always have agency. agency. Report an error in the passage at 28:46 Highlight the passage at 28:46

29:10 So this is one of the reasons I have been part of a crew providing trainings in non-cooperation with authoritarianism in Minneapolis for the last six months. And it's really weird because the training curriculum is designed by social scientists who've looked at authoritarian takeovers of countries and they've tracked what works in opposing them and what doesn't work. Report an error in the passage at 29:10 Highlight the passage at 29:10

29:33 And then they made a curriculum saying, well, why don't we just do the stuff that works? Report an error in the passage at 29:33 Highlight the passage at 29:33

29:40 And it's really similar in that it's just focused on like people can do all different kinds of things. It's not like a thing that you do. It's like many, many people do many, many different kinds of things. And that ends up removing the foundational structure that enables an authoritarian state to be violating and dominating people. Report an error in the passage at 29:40 Highlight the passage at 29:40

30:13 One more thing about taking care of things I want to say, a particularity, difference in taking care of things, is regard to George Floyd Square, which is, I live a couple miles from George Floyd Square, which is a site where George Floyd was murdered, and then where Alex Preddy and Renee Good were killed by ICE agents in the last few months are also about a mile apart from that place, which is very sad. Report an error in the passage at 30:13 Highlight the passage at 30:13

30:42 But when George Floyd was murdered, kind of immediately there was a lot of rage, and that was concentrated outside the 3rd Precinct Police Department where the officers that killed him were based, and that building was eventually burned down a few days later. But the site where he was murdered immediately became a site of spirituality, vigil, and community building, and it still is. Report an error in the passage at 30:42 Highlight the passage at 30:42

31:12 So there's been a morning meeting at 38th and Chicago like every day, you know, for six years now. And it's great. I mean, I live in Minnesota. So it's like 10 degrees below zero and you're driving down like Chicago Avenue and you look over and there's people with a little fire pit sitting outside with chairs figuring out how to do public safety and community building every day. Report an error in the passage at 31:12 Highlight the passage at 31:12

31:36 And one of the things that happened there is people just started bringing things into the square. So right away it was just filled with flowers, religious icons, poems, dolls, artworks. And I mean, it was overwhelming because people come from all over the world at this point. But at first it was just local people. But it was just kind of massive and it was filling the street. Report an error in the passage at 31:36 Highlight the passage at 31:36

32:01 And, you know, what are we going to do here? And a number of people, but I'll single out Janelle Austin, who's... kind of the main curator, just said, we are going to acknowledge that every single one of these things matters. They were all brought here by someone who really cared, and we're going to take care of every single one of them. Report an error in the passage at 32:01 Highlight the passage at 32:01

32:21 And so she and a crew of other people, they curate that space, and they find a way to make, and it's like the city is not managing it. It's just people. And so, you know, I can't tell you how many times I've been there. And someone just shows up with a truck full of plants and they redo the plants in the space. And then when they decommission something, they dispose of it in a way that's respectful or they actually have a huge archive of things. Report an error in the passage at 32:21 Highlight the passage at 32:21

32:50 So back to this theme that what happens when we acknowledge that everything matters and really take care of what's in front of us? Something very beautiful. Report an error in the passage at 32:50 Highlight the passage at 32:50

33:06 So my last theme here, and I guess this is kind of a segue, is social engagement and diversity of practice. So I'm going to read here a little bit. So the Flower Garland Sūtra was actually originally compiled from a bunch of other texts, and three of the chapters of the Flower Garland Sūtra were already very influential and are sometimes studied on their own and viewed as individual sutras. Report an error in the passage at 33:06 Highlight the passage at 33:06

33:32 So I'm going to talk about one of these right now. Report an error in the passage at 33:32 Highlight the passage at 33:32

33:38 The Gandhavihasutra, or entry into the realm of reality sūtra, is the third of the key standalone sutras that were incorporated into the Avatamsaka. It constitutes the final and longest chapter of the sūtra. It tells the story of a young man, Sudhana, who commits his life to liberation from suffering for everyone and everything, and of his long and wondrous pilgrimage on the path. Report an error in the passage at 33:38 Highlight the passage at 33:38

34:03 He meets with 53 teachers. Each of whom shows him a staggering level of spiritual attainment and then ends their meeting by saying they can't possibly know the way to liberation. Each one sends him on to visit another teacher to keep practicing. The teachers include beggars, queens, boys and girls, monks, nuns, rich men. Report an error in the passage at 34:03 Highlight the passage at 34:03

34:28 Mathematicians, sailors, perfumers, doctors, musicians, goddesses, bark-clad outcasts, folks who change genders, people dressed in rags, those bedecked in jewels, a prince who almost loses his life working to free all the prisoners in his land, and great bodhisattvas such as Avalokiteshvara, Manjushri, and Samantabhadra. Report an error in the passage at 34:28 Highlight the passage at 34:28

34:52 They teach in myriad ways, all different and appropriate to themselves and those they meet. They teach by feeding people, through physical touch, by making beautiful sense and palaces, by writing, by teaching meditation, by expounding the dharma, by revealing suffering, and by guiding people through storms. Report an error in the passage at 34:52 Highlight the passage at 34:52

35:14 This sūtra provides inspiration for those of us looking to create multicultural, engaged Buddhist communities. Report an error in the passage at 35:14 Highlight the passage at 35:14

35:26 So this sūtra is so much about relationship. Report an error in the passage at 35:26 Highlight the passage at 35:26

35:32 And, you know, if you look at Buddhist teachings, the majority of them are conversations. Koans are usually conversations between two people. The Pāli Canon, even if it's a very sort of philosophical or like a deep investigation of consciousness, it's usually one person, often the Buddha, teaching someone else, specifically because of what they need and how they are. Report an error in the passage at 35:32 Highlight the passage at 35:32

35:56 But this sūtra really, I don't know, it puts this aspect of things in a very rich light. And I think this is very wonderful because, I don't know, it can seem like, oh, I have to figure out what the right practice is. And, you know, I think we can just keep figuring out what the best practice we can come up with right now is, and that will be sufficient. Report an error in the passage at 35:56 Highlight the passage at 35:56

36:23 And I've seen so many different wonderful ways to practice. I've been to 10 different Buddhist centers in the last two weeks, and there's a little different flavor everywhere. It's wonderful. Different types of meditation. And then if I think more vividly about my recent experience, in early, about mid-December, ICE brought an incredibly large number of people to Minneapolis, like it was about 20 to one more ratio of people to population than they'd ever brought to any other city, and just started rapidly deploying to sort of brutalize predominantly people of color in the streets and harass people. Report an error in the passage at 36:23 Highlight the passage at 36:23

37:06 And within just a matter of days, there were hundreds of people who'd figured out how to make a network so they could figure out where this violence was happening and go there and bear witness to it. And within maybe a week or two, there were thousands of people. And, I mean, it happened so fast. And these are people who are willing to go and bear witness in situations that are really dangerous, where many of them were detained, often illegally. Report an error in the passage at 37:06 Highlight the passage at 37:06

37:31 illegally um it had to be really fast because the strategy ice was using was to come in they they were trying to be out within five or six minutes so on multiple occasions people i know witnessed like they grabbed someone out of a car and drive away and the car was actually still literally rolling down the street they hadn't even put it in park So this was like, it took So much energy and coordination for that. And, you know, if you've seen images of violence in Minneapolis in the last couple months, it's because people did that and you wouldn't probably know about it if they hadn't. Report an error in the passage at 37:31 Highlight the passage at 37:31

38:05 Amazing. An amazing practice. But that was just a tiny, there were people just making sandwiches and delivering them. There were people having school patrols, just, you know, all the neighbors just standing outside of school making their kids. Feel and be safe. I met so many people who I didn't think they were even paying that much attention. They were like, well, I have been driving my neighbor to work every day for two months. People raising money, people managing spreadsheets. Report an error in the passage at 38:05 Highlight the passage at 38:05

38:36 I never had more appreciation for spreadsheets than I did after January and February in Minneapolis when we were coordinating thousands and thousands of people to take care of each other. And all those people who thought, oh, you know, I don't want to go to a protest realized I have a practice that can be profoundly liberative. I can help people. Report an error in the passage at 38:36 Highlight the passage at 38:36

38:54 figure out how to give each other food. I could just go on and on. We had like a nightly, I helped organize a nightly call where people who are doing rapid response could do somatic meditations because it was very traumatic to view all that violence. On and on, just so beautiful. Singing resistance, hundreds or thousands of people flowing into the streets to sing about how we love each other and want to care for each other. Report an error in the passage at 38:54 Highlight the passage at 38:54

39:21 So many different kinds of practices. You don't have to do what other people are doing. Actually, you can't. It's too late. And, you know, one day I got up in the morning with a big crowd of people and we sang some nice songs to a bunch of riot police. And then... Uh, I... I went back to the Zen Center and led a weekend meditation retreat. And every day we just got up, we had our morning meditation, we had our evening meditations, we had our classes on the Pāli Canon or whatever it was we were studying. Report an error in the passage at 39:21 Highlight the passage at 39:21

40:00 Myriad, myriad, boundless, limitless, unimaginable capacities for practice and liberation that you all have. And I've been talking about all this wonderful stuff I just witnessed, but I have utter confidence that you are doing beautiful and amazing things. So I am really grateful to be among you. And even though I may not hear the stories of your practice, I trust it profoundly. So thank you all very much. Report an error in the passage at 40:00 Highlight the passage at 40:00

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